Wednesday, June 24, 2015

The Cell Church

The New Structure
for the New Church
for the New Millennium

C. Peter Wagner's original vision for hierarchical networks.[1]

By Sarah H. Leslie

Twenty years ago I began researching the networking hierarchical cell church structure that was beginning to emerge in the evangelical church. I gave two "Cell Church" talks. One presentation was in 1997 at a Discernment Ministries conference in Missisauga, Ontario, Canada, and a few years later an updated talk was given in 1999 at a Discernment Ministries conference in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The following audio comes from the later 1999 talk.

Listen to the audio:

This talk was graphic intensive, so the referenced exhibits are available from Discernment Ministries ("A. Cell Church Structure with transparencies").

I had always intended to put the information in these talks into a written document. But personal life circumstances continually thwarted this plan. But by 2005 we had launched the Herescope blog, and a good deal of the research eventually ended up in articles. For the serious researcher Al Dager's 1990 book Vengeance Is Ours: The Church in Dominion is foundational reading.

A later book by Dager, titled The World Christian Movement: A Great Delusion Leading to the Religio-Political State of the Anti-Christ, also contains material referenced in my talk. Much of its research on the global mission movement originated through the efforts of the late Nancy Flint. In the mid 1990s Nancy took a trip across the United States, visiting with discernment researchers to share her disturbing findings. (Both of Dager's books are available from Discernment Ministries or

In 2007 a 10-part series of Herescope titled "The Doctrines of Dominionism" was based on Nancy Flint's research. Here we described the new doctrines that were being concocted by evangelical leaders:
Al Dager developed a chart (page 171, Vengeance Is Ours, 1990) that diagrammed the esoteric historical roots and interconnecting movements that undergird historical Dominion teachings. These include a mixture of Gnosticism, Theosophy, British Israelism, Identity, and Anti-Semitism. Some of this racism has been simmering for decades, embedded within Reconstructionism, the Latter Rain Movement and the New Apostolic Reformation. The most disturbing aspect of this is the idea of pure "bloodlines" of "new breed" of "elect seed." (Read "What Is Dominionism?" and "IHOP's New Breed Leaders," "Denying Dominionism," e.g.) 

These cell church talks reference the early stages of the New Apostolic Reformation which was being launched by C. Peter Wagner. His rapidly forming hierarchy was to be headed up by "self-anointed, self-appointed" apostles (see graphic at the top of this post, and read more history HERE). Wagner and others claimed that these new "apostles" would be infallible and would be able to re-define doctrine. Positioning these "apostles" and "prophets" at the top was marketed to the church as necessary to fulfilling the Great Commission. In the year 2007 a series of article were posted on Herescope that summarized these apostolic networking church structures and doctrines. It was titled "The Networking Church":

The Cell Church Structure
The exhibit below is a cellular chart from page 195 of Ralph W. Neighbour, Jr.'s book Where Do We Go From Here? A Guidebook for the Cell Group Church (Touch, 1990). Keep in mind that this isn't just about the local church. This is also the structure of a city-wide church (ecumenical) as envisioned and described by the cell church architects. It is also the structure of the multi-site church of Leadership Network. It would become the model for C. Peter Wagner's hierarchies -- now called the 7 mountains (quite literally a pyramid marketing structure) for apostolic dominion.
This chart above can also serve as the structure for downline network marketing, which appears to be the intended purpose of the reconfiguration of the church. This structure makes it easy to disseminate a novel idea (new heresy) across peer-driven networks. Read our 8-part series "The Dopamine-Driven Church" in 2007 here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

The 1980 book Holonomy: A Human Systems Theory (Intersystems Publications) by Jeffrey Stamps is an authoritative summary of General Systems Theory applied to human evolution and behavior. This book is also a blueprint for how mankind's evolution could be best achieved via cellular networking hierarchies. The exhibit below is one of the charts referenced from the book (page 37):
Below is the most offensive exhibit from the book (page 38), depicting the esoteric belief that there are people who are failing to properly evolve due to a reptilian brain stem. According to this paradigm, those who are mystical in thinking and behavior are more evolutionary advanced than those who believe and act in terms of traditional absolutes (i.e., Christians). Assessments of people based on signs of evolutionary progress (as ascertained by their adoption of the mystical ideas and practices of the New Age Movement) can become a method of discrimination. Those people who aren't performing according to the new "systems" management of the government, church and corporate worlds will be subjected to penalties of various sorts.
The Role of Stanford Research Institute
In the late 1990s those of us researching this cell church structure in the church still didn't have all of the pieces of the puzzle. Because the esoteric doctrines and systems described in Holonomy matched what we were reading about in the emerging "apostolic" cellular church, we suspected a common root. Our best guess, based on our unique backgrounds, experiences and training, was that it was probably the Stanford Research Institute (SRI). We asked: had the SRI influenced evangelical leaders, even trained them, in these new systems methods?

By 2003 we had researched Peter Drucker and Leadership Network and found interesting connections. But it wasn't until 2005, when we stumbled onto the two Evangelical Consultations on the Future, when we discovered that SRI's Willis Harman had made presentations to key evangelical leaders, that we realized that our worst suspicions had been confirmed. Read the following accounts about these Consultations on the Future:

Several years ago while writing a book review of Chuck Missler's Alien Encounters we discovered even more linkages between evangelical leaders and SRI. The following 6-part article series investigated the influence SRI may have had on Missler's concoction of strange new eschatological doctrines regarding space aliens and adulterated human DNA: 

There are many other links that we could provide for further research. Suffice it to say that for the past ten years the Herescope blog has been the chief venue for documenting the preliminary findings discussed in the key "Cell Church Talks" of the late 1990s. More will be written on these topics in the days to come, Lord willing. For those who wish to read further on some of these topics, see the following background articles:

These talks are now 16 years old, and as such are a research "snapshot in time." Some of the things I said have changed as discernment researchers have delved deeper into these topics. For example, we weren't sure if we were looking at a multi-headed hydra or a one-headed octopus. The downline networks that were forming in Christendom seemed to be independent of one another, yet there was an ongoing call for unity. It seemed destined to culminate in a one-world church. (Read "Dominionism and the Rise of Christian Imperialism.") For example, the false prophets of the NAR had been calling for a merging of streams into rivers for several decades.

It is now quite obvious that the downline networking model functions by stealth, superimposing its own structure on top of an existing model (such as denominations), until it sucks the old life out of it and ends up totally controlling it. Parachurch organizations such as Leadership Network, trained pastors and leaders across a global spectrum in this new model of church governance. The excessive evangelical fascination with leadership has given rise to cult-like status for its superstars and created lockstep blind followers. Read:

The future of this cell church structure will be seen in Tim Keller's emerging "Center Church" for New York City -- a collaborative "hub" model of church and state and corporate interests (i.e., Peter Drucker's "3-legged stool") that will transform the church into a webbed social welfare organization that oversees humans from cradle-to-grave, womb-to-tomb. See Leadership Network's Eric Swanson diagram below, where the 7 mountains for dominion are referred to as 7 "domains" -- i.e., networks. Compare this chart with the graphic at the top of this post.
Eric Swanson, To Transform A City: Whole Church, Whole Gospel, Whole City (Zondervan, 2010),
Figure 2, Foreword, p. 11. This is a visual chart of the "7 domains of culture."
The Church in this diagram is seen encompassing the other 6 secular "domains."

1. *Exhibit 1: C. Peter Wagner, "A Letter From C. Peter Wagner," Global Harvest Ministries, Monday, August 20, 2007. Original url was: Read more about this at and also
2. This diagram was referenced in my Cell Church Talks along with several other "hub" diagrams from education reform plans in various states across the country. Many of these concentric circle charts incorporated the church into the state. They envisioned the school as the center of the community, providing lifelong welfare services, job training, healthcare, etc., and linking each citizen to the state in intrusive ways.

Read the previous two posts related to this one:

Thursday, June 18, 2015

“Network of Networks”

Networking for Global Peace

“The Aquarian Conspiracy is...
a network of many networks aimed at social transformation.”

“Rick Warren’s newly created Global PEACE Coalition...
a plan of epic ambition, to turn at least half
of the world's tens of millions of Christian churches
into a giant 'network of networks'
dedicated to relieving the poverty and misery of the developing world.”

Leadership Network's description of its organizational purpose,
NEXT newsletter, Dec. 1997, p. 3

Another older Discernment Ministries conference audio has been posted online (see previous post). This is a talk by Sarah H. Leslie from a 2007 conference. This talk was titled "Global PEACE Plan 1 Networking" and it covered a key transition period in the evangelical church world where everything was shifting over to networking structures and emerging new theologies.

Listen to the audio:

As in our previous post, the following exhibits will provide the listener with documentation for the topics discussed in this presentation.

This presentation began with a book review of Marilyn Ferguson's landmark book that launched the New Age Movement, titled The Aquarian Conspiracy: Personal and Social Transformation in the 1980s (J.P. Tarcher, 1980). Quoted sections are read from this book and then commented upon. Note the prominent 666 logo on her book cover. We've often written about Marilyn Ferguson and her impact on the church. See, for example HERE, HEREHERE, and especially HERE.

In the year 2007 a number of article series were posted on Herescope on the topic of the networking church structures and doctrines. The first was an 8-part series titled "The Networking Church" which talked about how these networking ideas were incorporated into the doctrines of the New Apostolic Reformation:

Another related Herescope series was titled "Networking P.E.A.C.E." Read: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4.

Thomas S. Kuhn was cited regarding the philosophy of the paradigm shift in his book titled The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. It provided a foundational ideology for the New Age Movement. A cursory overview of Kuhn can be read at and Herescope wrote about him HERE.

Several times Dr. Dennis Cuddy and his excellent research into the New Age and mental health was cited. Key quotes came from Dr. Cuddy's book Education Mental Health & Social Control. This is available at Dr. Cuddy is a regular columnist for NewsWithViews; see his articles HERE.

The disturbing documentation about Theosophist Willis Harman, and his influence over evangelical leaders in the late 1970s at two consultations on the future sponsored by the Billy Graham Association, is summarized in the following Herescope posts:
The Discernment Research Group first broke the story about Harman in September 2005 in a series of posts that ran into October 2005. One can look through the posts to read more details about these consultations.
There was a key overview article "What Is Transformation?" posted on Beris Kjos's website. See also the chart "New Age Terms in the Church" which is very helpful in understanding the vocabulary that is now part of church doctrine.  There is a helpful list of Discernment Research Group articles on her site:

For information on the collaborative New Age health model, now used by Rick Warren in his "Daniel Plan," see the following articles:
Ervin Laszlo's 1974 book A Strategy for the Future (George Braziller, Inc., 1974) was cited, mentioning a few key diagrams. Here are two exhibits from his book illustrating the networking cellular and global governance. 
Exhibit 1, page 126,
Laszlo's local neighborhood cells in a "world system"
Exhibit 2, p. 150,
Laszlo's plan for global governance structure
Many of the themes and topics on Herescope the past ten years have fleshed in the documentation of this talk in 2007. For example, read "Earth: The Old Story, The New Story" and view the charts HERE.

We have also written about the significance of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, who was cited frequently by Ferguson for propounding the doctrine of the evolution of human consciousness. Just a few of these articles include:
As more of these talks are published online, we will inform Herescope readers.

1. Marilyn Ferguson, The Aquarian Conspiracy: Personal and Social Transformation in the 1980s (J.P. Tarcher, 1980), page 217. 
2. David Van Biema, "Rick Warren Goes Global," TIME Magazine,,8599,1809833,00.html, May. 27, 2008. Cited in the Herescope post:
3. For yet another example of this same phrase "network of networks," see the Apprising Ministries 2/23/10 post "THE EMERGING CHURCH AND PROGRESSIVE CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY AFTER GOOGLE," quoting Tony Jones from the Foreword (pages ix and x) to Philip Clayton's book Transforming Christian Theology. The Emergent Church, like purpose-driven and Acts 29, was also spawned by Leadership Network.

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Saturday, June 13, 2015


Ten Years and Counting. . . 

"When you sign a membership covenant, you are signing a legal document.
Ask yourself if you were told that this is the case.
If you were not told this, ask why you weren't.
In every other venue outside of a church,
you would most likely get legal advice before signing a contract.
Why would you not do the same for a church contract?"

An audio file has just been posted online of a talk given over 10 years ago at a Discernment Ministries conference. The presentation was by Discernment Research Group member Sarah H. Leslie, and it was an early refutation of the Purpose-Driven church covenant model being widely disseminated by Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in California.

Early on we recognized and warned about the many problems that would develop as a result of the covenant church model which was based on the corporate business model introduced into the church by Peter Drucker via Bob Buford's Leadership Network. The purpose-driven brand name was the most recognizable, but many other networks within Leadership Networks' vast array of downline networks, especially including Acts 29, would also rely heavily upon this covenant-driven model. We anticipated that there would eventually be fallout in churches - particularly among women, children, handicapped, disabled, elderly and others - who would slip through the cracks, be damaged, or penalized for their imperfections. 

Listen to the audio:

The Herescope blog began posting 10 years ago, so if you listen to the audio file you will recognize the references to the many of topics that have been posted on Herescope. However, for those who seek additional documentation, and wish to research these issues further, below is a partial list of topics mentioned in this comprehensive overview conference report.

The audio talk was given shortly after the 2004 monograph The Pied Pipers of Purpose was published. This monograph is available for purchase at the Discernment Ministries office, 903-567-6423, and it is also available for download here:

The talk mentions education reform issues, specifically the book the deliberate dumbing down of america by Charlotte T. Iserbyt, available at or for a free download at:  Also read the 3-part article series about so-called school "choice" titled "The Choice Charade".
The conference talk specifically references an earlier article critical of church covenants published by Discernment Ministries. Recently this paper, originally titled "The Shepherding Movement Comes of Age," was republished on the Herescope blog: 

Here is the issue of Leadership Network's newsletter NEXT that included the eastern religious Ying/Yang sign in its discussion about management guru Jim Collins. Notice the clock graphic and note that each subheading includes a ying/yang graphic. The use of such a well-known occult symbol has raised many questions about which faith Leadership Network promotes.
Leadership Network, NEXT, Vol. 3, No. 1, May 1997

Regarding Rick Warren, our early warnings in 2005 were sadly quite accurate. We believe that the most important post we ever wrote about Rick Warren is "Rick Warren - Is He Scary?" Most of the questions that we raised in this post have never been answered. Rick Warren took his entire P.E.A.C.E. "missionary" plan under the radar and the press has given him a free pass to work his global agenda without critical scrutiny. Below is a sampling of articles (including some that are part of a series) we wrote about Rick Warren's attempt to turn purpose-driven into a global movement:

Missionaries who were specifically told to NOT preach the Gospel is documented here: Africa Watch Update: Missionaries told "not to minister the Word"! Rick Warren's early partner, Bruce Wilkinson, experienced a failed venture in Swaziland: Breaking News! Mr Jabez's Dream Turns to Nightmare

The original 2-part article about Rick Warren's launching of his Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan is archived in the Discernment Newsletters:

For our writings on the recent Mars Hill debacle, and its connections to the Leadership Network organization and these same organizational structure and ideologies, see the series "The Culture Which Gave Rise to Mark Driscoll":

Finally, we wish to point out that many of the topics covered in this 2005 talk were influential in the publication of Paul Smith's book New Evangelicalism: The New World Order.  Read about his book here:

Discernment Ministries has recently authorized Dr. Martin Erdmann to post a number of our current and older, but still relevant, conference files on the Internet. As Dr. Erdmann puts up more of the Discernment conference videos and audios online, we will post notifications and links for Herescope readers.

1. "The Village Church/Matt Chandler: The Problems With Membership Contracts," 6/1/15, For another recent covenant horror story, see "Do Acts 29 Churches Share the Same DNA as the Mothership – Matt Chandler’s The Village Church?" 1/3/15,

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Tuesday, June 09, 2015

The Battle of the Mind

Pulling Down Strongholds 

By Pastor Anton Bosch

“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal
but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
casting down arguments and every high thing
that exalts itself against the knowledge of God,
bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.”

(2 Corinthians 10:3-5) 

The Christian is locked in an intense war. Many of us, however, are so interested in fighting an external war with the Devil that we forget that the most important battle is not with external forces, but within our own mind, heart and thoughts. These verses above contain the keys to victory in an area where most Christians are constantly defeated.

Paul reminds us that our weapons and strategy are not fleshly or carnal. This is the first key to victory. Most Christians employ fleshly, psychological and human strategies to deal with spiritual problems. Many books that provide “seven easy steps to victory” employ human wisdom. They simply add a few Bible verses to sanctify a system they have borrowed from the world. Strip those Bible verses out of the book and you are left with a motivational message that the world will pay money for. When something is that acceptable to the world we need to question whether it is indeed authentic Christianity. I have no doubt that many of these formulas work to some extent. They are just like the many “cures” for weight problems that are touted every day – they provide quick solutions, and may even work for a time, but in the end leave you worse off than before.

Our battle is a spiritual one and can only be won when we employ the spiritual weapons that God has put at our disposal. Sometimes people don't use these weapons because they either seem too simplistic or too much like hard work. But they work because God has designed them and the Holy Spirit empowers them. In fact, the battle for (and in) your mind cannot be won unless you use the spiritual weapons God has given you.

Our spiritual weapons are mighty in God. They are powerless in and of themselves, but in God they are mighty, powerful and able to bring every thought under control. These weapons include the Word of God (Ephesians 6:17), prayer (Ephesians 6:18) and the anointing of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:8).

One of the reasons we need such strong weapons is because bad thought patterns are so deeply entrenched in our minds that they literally become strongholds. Paul did not use the word “strongholds” by chance. This is the same word which Philo, the Jewish Greek philosopher (probably known to Paul), had used to describe the bastion of arrogant human reason. Philo likened this desire of man, i.e., to fortify his arguments against God, to the tower of Babel. What does this mean? It simply means that the thought-patterns that cause us to act as we do can become so powerfully entrenched in our minds that they become like military forts that are impregnable. Have you ever tried to reason with someone, who is obviously wrong (by all standards – not just your own), only to come to the conclusion that you are up against a stone wall? Well, that is exactly what it is. These are like strongholds built out of stone. Our arguments against God’s will, His Word and His wisdom become so fortified in our minds that nothing short of a miracle is able to penetrate them.

Such strongholds are built, stone by stone, argument by argument, until they become a fortress behind which we hide from God and our responsibilities. They are built over years through self-justification and rationalizing our bad behavior, addictions and unacceptable values. They are further reinforced as we fill our minds with the world and its systems and values.

When we come across this in a person, they may have an almost irrational denial of reality. We say such a person is unstable or emotional (as opposed to rational). But the text refers to the reason as “arguments.” (The King James incorrectly refers to this as “imaginations.”) The Greek word is logismos from the same root as “logic.” We all have rational, logical reasons for why we are disobedient to the Lord. Allow me to share some hard-earned advice: do not even try to argue with such a person. They are not interested in the truth, and will simply retreat behind the castle of their reasons, firing at you with all sorts of criticism.

So what are we to do to help others? Our weapons are not human – remember? We can only allow the Word of God and the Holy Spirit to do the work. Our part is simply to pray. That is all. The Lord must change the person’s mind through His Word and Spirit, and these begin to tear the fortifications down. Without God, your attempts will simply cause the person to entrench, and even go over into attack. It is hard to learn not to argue with such a person. But you need to simply walk away, and pray, and trust the Lord to deal with them. Trust me. If you try to “help” them you will only buy yourself much unnecessary heartache and pain. One of the hardest things in Christian work is to hand such a person over to the Lord when we feel we should actually be doing something.

More important than other's problems is the fact that we each have such strongholds in our own lives. Strongholds of fear, doubt, unbelief, greed, lust, anger, addictions, and the list goes on and on. There is only one place we can actively participate in this work of tearing down the strongholds in our own lives. Sometimes we want to be free of the hold these things have in our lives, but often we secretly enjoy them and are not willing to let them go.

But the text reminds us that we are not just wronging ourselves by allowing these thoughts to control us. It is sin against The Most High. Paul speaks about “every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God” (v5). Is that not what they did at the Tower of Babel? They built this tower in defiance of the Lord. That is what we often do when we harbor these things in our minds – we permit, even encourage, these things to lift themselves up in rebellion against God!

 If we are going to be the people the Lord wants us to be, these strongholds must be torn down and the thoughts hiding behind them brought under control. Paul says these arguments that elevate themselves against God must be cast or pulled down.

Do you feel defeated even before you have begun? Maybe it is because you have been trying to overcome these entrenchments using human methods in your own strength. It will not work. I hope you will have realized that by now. We need the dynamite power of the Holy Spirit to explode these fortifications. God can, and will, do it – with our permission and cooperation.

This article is Part 1 of a series of 4 covering these verses in 2 Cor. 10:3-5, recently published in Pastor Anton Bosch's new book of devotionals Building Blocks of Encouragement – A Devotional. The book is a selection of 60 of his most popular articles written over the past 11 years. As the title suggests, the articles are encouraging and edifying. Each chapter is free standing and is designed to be easily read in one sitting. In addition to being encouraging, the articles are doctrinally orthodox and the book is therefore a safe gift for friends and family that will bless strengthen and encourage. To order the book, contact the Discernment Ministries Book Center (903) 567-6423. The book is also available as a printed book as well as a Kindle book from

Friday, May 29, 2015

"Sound of Heaven, Symphony of Earth"

Part 8: The Physics of Heaven
A Serial Book Review & Theological Interaction

Read Part 1: "The Physics of Heaven"
Read Part 2: "The Power of the Zero-Point Field"
Read Sidebar: "Jesus' Lesser Works"
Read Part 3: "Extracting the Precious From the Worthless"
Read Part 4: "Vibrating in Harmony With God"
Read Part 5: BILL JOHNSON: Squandering Our Spiritual Inheritance
Read Part 6: Unsagacious Seers

Read Part 7: Bad Vibes
Advertisement retrieved Oct. 2011 from
for 4 CDs "Quantum Physics, Music and the Prophetic"
by David Van Koevering, Ray Hughes, Bob Jones, and JoAnn McFatter."

By Pastor Larry DeBruyn

Review of Chapter 6 (authored by Ray Hughes):
“Sound of Heaven, Symphony of Earth”

We live in the “Information Age,” an age of increasing revelation, prophetic insight and sensitivity to the spirit realm.... We live in a time when science fiction can become science fact overnight.... I believe that the Holy Spirit has given me some pieces of the puzzle to heaven’s sound, so the information I share with you about sound and light and vibration will be based upon scientific fact, confessed speculation, and spiritual revelation.
—Ray Hughes
(Emphasis added, TPOH, 65-66)

1965 was the year when the film The Sound of Music was released. The movie’s theme song written by Oscar Hammerstein II (1895-1960), composed by Richard Rogers (1902-1979), and sung by actress Julie Andrews (1935-    ), has for five decades remained a musical icon. “The hills are alive, / With the sound of music / With songs they have sung / For a thousand years,” go the song’s opening lyrics.[2] But according to Quantum Charismatics, not only are the hills alive with the sound of music, but also everything else God has infused with heaven’s “sound of many waters” (Revelation 14:2). This music, Quantum Charismatics believe, will bring revival to the church as it endows God’s “manifest sons” to interpret life even as mobilizes miraculous powers within them.

Illustration: Sight and Sound, Movie and Music
Ray Hughes illustrates how sound brings understanding to life, especially in the church. As in a motion picture, music provides meaning and creates feelings for what is seen. He refers to a movie portraying a nattily dressed woman walking hurriedly down a sidewalk on a crowded city street. Various types of accompanying music might offer different interpretations of the woman’s situation. Is the accompanying music depressing? If so, viewers could be impressed that the woman is in some kind of trouble. Is the music upbeat? Viewers would conclude she’s not in danger, but only taking a daily exercise walk. Is music romantic? Viewers might interpret that she is hustling to meet her boyfriend at Starbucks. Hughes’ point is that sound “can create a story from dry facts. It [sound] causes our emotions to go beyond facts to feelings.”[3](TPOH, 69) In Hughes’ view, sound gives meaning to sight.

“Quantum Charismatics”
So music or sound becomes a key for interpreting the experience of life in the church. Music, says the author, impacts prayer, faith and activity in the church.(TPOH, 69) Sound can enhance if not determine spirituality. Reverbs can create revival. To this point, Hughes informs readers that, “With every revival, there has been a release of new music or sound.”(TPOH, 69) He then goes so far as to suggest that, “Whether the music releases the revival, or whether the revival releases the music varies from generation to generation.”(TPOH, 69) Hughes compares the issue to be like asking the old question of what comes first, the chicken (the revival) or the egg (the music). The right music creates the atmosphere of worship and facilitates a working of signs and wonders. This theory of sound or music—primordially infused by God into nature’s elements—drives, as Hughes states, the Quantum Charismatic view of spiritual life. We turn to summarize and look at the theory the author espouses.
Ray Hughes' quantum music advertised on TheElijahList, 6/19/07

The Author’s Theory:[4]

God is light/sound (“Although light and sound are located on different frequencies, they are the same thing.”(TPOH, 66) When God said, “Let there be light,” He “released” and infused His sound-music into three of the four elements which ancients believed comprised the universe—water, wind and fire. The three elements began to Quantumly vibrate with heaven’s music, “the sound of many waters.” But nature’s fourth element, earth, was lifeless until... God took earth/dirt, made Adam and animated him with sound/soul. The first sound Adam ever heard was God breathing His music into him. Because humans have sound/soul—unlike wind, fire and water which possess sound only—they possess a will. So with their will/soul, humans can choose to align themselves with the music of heaven to connect with the “creative ability [power] to release the sound of God” (e.g. to perform miraculous signs and wonders). The coming of the second Pentecost will “light-up” and amp-up Charismatics with “creative ability” to do greater miracles than they’re doing today.

Music: Invoking the “Presence”
According to the author’s theory, the sound of music indicates, even dictates, God’s presence in the church, a presence that will be manifested in the “experience” of worship and the doing of “wonders.” “Anyway you look at it,” writes Hughes, “God unveils new songs and new sounds in relationship to the new revelation of His presence in His people.”(TPOH, 70) Music becomes the force stimulating revival among God’s people. New revelations inspire the invention of new sounds to be accompanied by a writing of new songs. Worship leaders calculate that the novel music will gin up fleshly emotions within the bodies and souls of excited worshippers which they believe indicate God’s presence among them.[5] Other indicators of “The Presence” include inspired prophets uttering novel revelations and empowered apostles working greater and greater signs and wonders. All of this writes the author, is based upon science (sci-fi which has become science fact), speculation and new revelation.(TPOH, 66)
Hughes' conference advertised on TheElijahList, 1/4/08, with the stated purpose:
"We plan to go into uncharted territory.
We will embark on a journey to explore the mystery of color, light and sound.
This road has been traversed by scientists and mystics alike.
This conference will blend science, creation and theology,
and is designed to release divine creative destiny."

From these “sources” Hughes testifies, “I believe that the Holy Spirit has given me some of the pieces of the puzzle to heaven’s sound.” (TPOH, 65) We now turn to evaluate the bases out of which the author constructs his mythical view of spiritual reality by a synthesizing of science (sci-fi and sci-fact), speculation and revelation, the first being...

First Source: Fascination (Sci-fi and Sci-fact)
Science derives from the Latin word scientia which means “knowing.” By “knowing” it can be meant that through use of the five senses which contribute to one’s consciousness (i.e., mental faculties of perception, comprehension, understanding and believing), persons may come to a personal awareness, conviction or conclusion about their environment, about what is either real or unreal, immanent or transcendent or physical or metaphysical in their conscious existence. According to Hughes, what is unreal today (imaginings called science fiction) can become real tomorrow (inventions utilizing science fact). The author premises that “we live in a time where science fiction can become science fact overnight.”(TPOH, 65) True. Within certain boundaries, this can happen. At one time for example, humans dreamed of flying like birds. They even imagined going to the moon. Those imaginings, along with many others, have become facts. But when humans imagine that they might become gods, little gods, or “manifest sons of god”—when they can’t—then their belief is an idolatrous fiction. (See Isaiah 44:8.) Admittedly Sci-Fi is a fantasy which may inspire scientific discovery, but it is fiction nonetheless, —“An imaginative creation or pretense... A lie.”[6]

The Bible warns Christians that fascination with “the elementary principles of the world” (e.g. the ancient elements of earth, wind, fire, water, and perhaps the realm of the spirits or the Aether) will draw them away from Christ in whom “all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form” (Colossians 2:8-9).[7] As he invests the elements, as well as the spirit realm, with “the sound of music,” this is exactly the error Hughes embraces as he promotes his quasi-Christian theory of quantum origins. About entertaining such error Paul tells his young co-worker,

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust,
avoiding profane and vain babblings,
and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

Emphasis added, 1 Timothy 6:20-21, KJV

Second Source: Speculation
The Bible indicts the idolatrous nature of speculation(s). Scripture prohibits a speculative approach to understanding God and spirituality. Yet despite the biblical censure of it, Ray Hughes admits the information he will share about “the puzzle to heaven’s sound... will be based on... confessed speculation....”(TPOH, 65-66). In other words, the puzzle he claims to put together about the way inter-dimensional sound (heaven to earth, and earth to heaven) determines true spirituality is speculative. Speculation can mean, “To meditate on a given subject” or “to engage in buying or selling of a commodity with an element of risk.”[8] The former sense of the meaning of speculation—to meditate on a given subject—appears to be the sense in which the author employs the word, though his speculations could prove to be quite “risky” as regards the Christian faith, for imagination spawns idolatry.
Ray Hughes featured at the Quantum Leap-2 conference along with Chuck Missler,
David van Koevering and JoAnn McFatter.
Read Jackie Alnor's 6/19/07 report titled Quantum Alchemy

Creation Speculation
For example, Hughes speculates about the origin of sound in man and the decisional significance of it. “Imagine the first sound Adam ever heard was God breathing the wind or the breath of His Spirit,” he writes.(TPOH, 67) However, I am not aware that Adam possessed consciousness (something Hughes imagines he did) before “the Lord God... breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being” (Genesis 2:7). Hughes then goes on to assert that God gave Adam and other human beings free will to either accept or reject “His sound breathing in us.”(TPOH, 67) Did a pre-existent Adam really have the consciousness to hear God breathing His music into him and possess the freedom of will to either reject or accept it? This myth teaches that the creature possesses the independence and authority to thwart the will of the Creator. Yet despite the irony of his ontological confusion, Hughes states: “God desires to release a sound that our personal issues cannot resist.”(TPOH, 75) Of this view of God it can only be said the He “desires” but does not “determine.” (See Job 14:1-6; Daniel 9:24-27.)

Some Warnings
In describing the devolution into paganism, the Apostle Paul wrote to the Romans that “though [pagans once] knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools” (Emphasis added, Romans 1:21-22). The word “speculations” (Greek, dialogismos) is variously translated as “imaginations” (KJV), “thoughts” (NKJV), “thinking” (NRSV) and “reasonings” (ASV). What’s evident in this verse’s teaching is that speculating about God does not lead a person to God, but away from Him. The place to begin one’s search for God is not from inferences based upon sci-fi or sci-fact, but in God’s revelation, to be sure His revelation of himself in nature, but also necessarily confirmed by Scripture and Jesus Christ.

The Apostle also wrote of a key mindset in which spiritual warfare is to be conducted. In waging that war, the Apostle writes that, We are destroying speculations (Greek, logismos) and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge [science] of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ” (Emphasis added, 2 Corinthians 10:5). Furthermore, Paul told Timothy while he ministered at Ephesus to “instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith” (1 Timothy 1:4). Then again the elder exhorts the younger, “But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels” (2 Timothy 2:23). The point is clear. Speculation disconnects imaginers from the genuine Christian faith (Jude 3). Yet to validate his epistemological gimmicks for promoting his view of spirituality sourced in sound, the author informs readers that he has received revelations that confirm his speculations!
Ray Hughes' conference advertised on TheElijahList, 1/15/13, that states,
"It is our goal to help each other grow and
release the sound of Heaven in each of our own communities."

Third Source: Revelation
To support the myth connecting sound with spirituality, the author also depends upon personal revelation in addition to the Bible. Listed below are some statements he made indicating his dependence upon this source (emphases added):
  • We live in the “Information Age,” an age of increasing revelation, prophetic insight and sensitivity to the spirit realm....(TPOH, 65)
  • I believe that the Holy Spirit has given to me some of the pieces of the puzzle to heaven’s sound....(TPOH, 65)
  • The revelation that comes to the seer has everything to do with the sound of the scene being viewed. . . . The sound being heard has everything to do with how the seers will interpret what goes on.(TPOH, 69)
  • God unveils new songs and new sounds in relationship to the new revelation of His presence to His people.(TPOH, 70)
To buttress his revelation, the author window dresses his speculations with Scripture references. For example, as he conjectures about how “sound” relates to the Christian’s union with Christ—“Christ in you, the hope of glory”—he theorizes; first, that the word “‘glory’ means ‘lightified’... the hope of being ‘lit,’ or the hope of being ‘sounded’”; second, that the indwelling Christ is awaiting the moment when our sound will gloriously coalesce with His; and finally, that as His instruments, we will be played in a unified and deafening crescendo of praise to God. (See Colossians 1:27.) In short, we will be as New Age Religion puts it, “illuminated.” So as is true of most false teaching, truth and error are mixed (i.e., the word “glory” might be described as “lightified,” but not for the purpose Hughes proposes).

“I heard it from the Lord of Hosts”
Yet as he theorizes about “the pieces of the puzzle to heaven’s sound,” which he claims the Holy Spirit gave him to share, Hughes abruptly inserts a quotation: “Then it was revealed in my hearing by the Lord of hosts.”(Quote marks his, TPOH, 74) Seemingly, the quotation marks indicate the statement to have been a revelation from God. So Hughes authenticates his spin on the meaning of Paul’s words regarding the indwelling Christ by stating that “it was revealed in my hearing by the Lord of hosts.” As a prophet, Hughes becomes his own authoritative reference, and readers are therefore to believe what he says comes from God. All of this sounds fantastic and as such, who of us would dare question the scenario of praise and worship Hughes creates? There’s but one problem: that’s not what Paul meant when he told the Colossians that Christ “in” them was their “hope of glory.”
Thunder School conference advertised on TheElijahList, 7/27/09.
Speakers included Lou Engle, Bob Jones, Rick Joyner, Dr. Michael Brown, and Ray Hughes.
An endorsement by James Ryle stated in part:
"The Sons of Thunder is a prophetic promise from Heaven about a day
when an army of worshiping warriors would be released...."
Read: "James Ryle's Vineyard Theology."

Fourth Source: Spiritism?
The author says we live in an “Information Age,” a time not only of “increasing revelation [and] prophetic insight,” but also increasing “sensitivity to the spirit realm.”(TPOH, 65) This realm of active spirits consists of both angels and demons, or principalities and powers as the Apostle Paul wrote (Ephesians 6:12). That this age, given the occult alternative existing throughout all human history, is more sensitive to the “spirit realm” is the author’s parochial and culturally conditioned opinion. Spirit worship inundated ancient civilizations. The Gospels portray Jesus constantly exorcising demons which were active among the Jews (Matthew 12:43-45; etc.). The spirituality of the Medieval Age was thoroughly wedded to a magical worldview of witches and warlocks. Try telling Voodoo worshipers in Haiti, animists in primitive cultures, or devotees of other religions that they are becoming increasingly sensitive to the spirit realm.[9] They have always been sensitive to that realm! Ever hear of the Exorcist movies dating from the 1970s? Books recording experiences with angels are numerous, as are publications dealing with demons and territorial spirits. Since the fall of Adam, the diabolical has always been present among the world’s peoples. In relation to these ever present phenomena, the author’s use of the term “white noise” (WN) must be questioned.(TPOH, 71)

WN is a variegated and complicated category of sound. Within the sound spectrum, it refers to “Acoustical or electrical noise in which the intensity is the same at all frequencies within a given band.”[10] In popular parlance, WN can refer to random talk without meaningful or decipherable content. It’s called “white” because it lacks the distinctions of color, and noise because of the difficulty in deciphering it.

In physics the subject of white noise can also become speculative. Theoretical questions arise about WN. From whence or from “whom” does it originate? Or, what might it communicate? Nobody seems to know. It just appears to be “there.” Though mathematicians attempt to calculate and understand it, in the end WN is non-rational and that being the case, people find “connection” with it at the emotional level (i.e., personal experience), whether the hearer senses the sound of it to be earthly or ethereal, weird or wonderful. Because of the non-rational character of it and the feelings it produces, white noise is mystical. As Hughes states, “Sound... causes our emotions to go beyond the facts to feelings.”(TPOH, 69) Furthermore, the human ear can hear only a fraction of the music in the sound spectrum, even less so for us who suffer from hearing loss!(TPOH, 71-72)

TheElijahList ad, 5/11/14, that declares,
"We have stepped into a NEW day and with this NEW day is coming not only a NEW Sound,"
a "Sound" that "prepared the way of the Lord and in many ways prophesied into what Heaven was releasing into the earth....
so that when we hear His sound we begin to give that Sound
our voice bringing an uncompromising agreement and alignment between Heaven & Earth
as we look ever toward the horizon of this New Day Dawning...."

As such, not only are certain sounds music ultimately mystical, but can also become addictively manipulative, something worship leaders of mega-churches are aware of.[11] They capitalize on the emotional “wants/needs” of the audience. The common experience of music creates a counterfeit unity and feelings of revival among worshippers as they revel around the same sound.

But there’s a darker aspect associated with the sound of white noise. Speculation about indistinct sounds that are just there introduces people to the possibility of another realm of reality, to not only what’s going on “down here” (Remember Hughes’ movie illustration?), but also to what’s going on “out there,” what Hughes calls, “increasing . . . sensitivity to the spirit realm.”(TPOH, 65)

The term WN “refers to electronic voice phenomena (EVP), where voices, which some believe to be from the ‘other side’, can be heard on audio recordings.”[12] In 2005 Hollywood produced the move White Noise. The plot is summarized as follows:

Successful architect Jonathan Rivers’ peaceful existence is shattered by the unexplained disappearance and death of his wife, Anna. Jonathan is eventually contacted by a man, who claims to be receiving messages from Anna through EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomenon). At first skeptical, Jonathan then becomes convinced of the messages’ validity, and is soon obsessed with trying to contact her on his own. His further explorations into EVP and the accompanying supernatural messages unwittingly open a door to another world, allowing something uninvited into his life.[13]

Though sound may be spiritual, but it can also be diabolical. The devil and demons can pervert the sound of music to their own praise thereby duping God’s people into thinking that what they believe is the spiritual and agape worship of God is in reality a sensual and erotic worship that not only pleases their flesh, but also adulates evil spirits and Satan! (Remember: Such misplaced worship even a good angel forbade John to do—Revelation 19:10.) The “star of the morning” (interesting that the name Lucifer means “light bearing”; he was “lightified”) was thrown out of Heaven along with the “pomp and music of [his] harps” (Isaiah 14:11; Compare 2 Corinthians 11:14.). Interesting that the manifest son of the morning’s music did not signal revival in heaven, but rebellion! So much for “white”—or should it be said?—“dark noise.”
Another Thunder School event similarly advertised 6/29/2010 on TheElijahList.
On 8/2/10 the ad text included the statement:
"God is calling us to bring His worship, His sounds and His colors to the streets!"

Explaining the Glory
The many words translated “glory” in the Bible possess a complex of interrelated meanings the most common of which associated with great authority (e.g. being a political or social “heavy weight”—Hebrew kabodh meaning “weight”) or brilliant light (i.e., Greek doxa meaning “brightness”). In his second letter, Peter uses the word glory to describe what happened to Jesus at His Transfiguration (Compare 2 Peter 1:16-18 and Matthew 17:1-8). Matthew describes the event as follows:
And He was transfigured before them;
and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.

Emphasis added, Matthew 17:2.

Then Peter employs the word glory and hearing the authoritative voice of God to describe the sight:

For when He received honor and glory (doxa) from God the Father,
such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory
“This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased”
—and we ourselves heard this utterance made from
heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

Emphasis added, 2 Peter 1:17-18.

From comparing these two passages, it can be seen that “glory” takes on a meaning of brilliant light. When Jesus comes again He will do so “with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:30). Thus, the hope of believers is that when Jesus comes they will experience transfiguration to appear like Him. The Christ in us will suddenly be revealed through us. Then the world will know we belong to Christ, and we to Him. This is the hope of glory. The Holy Spirit’s wondrous residence within is a down payment assuring us that when Christ does come we will before a watching world be evidentially transformed to be like Him. After being brought before the Council to defend himself against the charge of blasphemy (Acts 6:8-12), and as he began his defense, Luke informs readers that as members of the Sanhedrin looked intently at him, they saw Stephen’s face transformed “like the face of an angel” (Acts 6:15). later in the same letter when he wrote, “When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory” (Colossians 3:4). W.H. Griffith-Thomas (1861-1924) explained: “The presence of Christ in the heart is both pledge and fortaste of the glory which will be ours at His coming.”[14]

Myth and Consequences
Sound here, sound there, everywhere a sound, sound! The myth Ray Hughes creates about sound (i.e., “the pieces of the puzzle to heaven’s sound” which the Holy Spirit revealed to him) presents a panentheistic concept of God, that divine sound permeates the whole of nature therefore “sacredizing” everything. This becomes evident in the speculations he makes and the revelations he has been given (or so he claims). We follow two strains of his argument indicating this.

As Above, So Below
Contra Jesus, Hughes unites the world above (God’s reality) and the world below (our reality) with sound being the common and permeating denominator of the whole. This is indicated by his statement that, “Everything that God has ever brought forth has come from His creative voice—the same voice which impregnates the earth with light, sound, music, glory, the elements of God.”(TPOH, 66) Based upon this premise he therefore postulates that, “We are continually in the presence of ultrasonic [waves of sound “above” our threshold of hearing] and subsonic [waves of sound “beneath” our threshold of hearing] sound waves.”(TPOH, 68) He argues that just because we can’t see or hear the sound (kind of like sensing God’s omnipresence) does not mean it’s not there. This view of reality—as above, so below—is called Hermeticism.

Hermeticism is a monistic belief that the universe’s reality is one, and that this singular reality shares a common thread of divinity. In his book Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition, Glenn Alexander Magee explains that Hermeticism understands that,

everything in the cosmos is internally related, bound up with everything else.... Divine powers understood variously as “energy” or “light” pervade the whole. This principle is most clearly expressed in the so-called Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus, which begins with the famous lines “As above, so below.” This maxim became the central tenet of Western occultism....[15]

In other words, as Hughes and other Quantum Charismatics propose, the same sound-light-power(s) permeates the whole of everything which exists with the result that they do not believe there’s a division between heaven above and earth below. All reality, the entire of whatever is, is a gargantuan seamless “One.” God has infused His power and His presence into everything which exists. Whatever is down here is also equally up there. As above, so below...
TheElijahList ad, 8/17/11, tying music to the Tabernacle of David heresy
(see links at the bottom of this article).
This ad credits Ray Hughes for discovering the harpist's
"spirit changing level of higher bandwidth and God consciousness."

Quantum Charismatics are not the only ones promoting Hermetic-Gnostic philosophy in the pan-evangelical church. In The Message, we note Eugene Peterson[16] employs the phrase where the Lord’s Prayer reads, “Our Father in heaven, / Reveal who you are. / Set the world right; / Do what’s best—as above, so below.”[17] (See Matthew 6:10.) To this point, it can be noted that “paraphraser” Peterson makes Ephesians 4:6 read:

You have... one God and Father of all, who... is present in all. Everything you are and think is permeated with Oneness.[18]

Of course, one need only read Jesus’ plain words to realize that the idea of “one-ness” contradicts the “two-ness” which He declared reality to be. Jesus told the Jews:

You are from below, I am from above;
you are of this world, I am not of this world.

I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins;
for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.”

(Emphasis added, John 8:23-24)

With His words, Jesus declared that He and the Jews “emerge from two entirely antithetical realms,”[19] and that, “An abyss separates them from Him.”[20] Eternal heaven and temporal earth are two separate realities. This worldview contrasts to Liberal-Emergent and Quantum-Charismatic spiritualities which hold that the entire of reality—time and eternity, heaven and hell, light and darkness—is one. According to Jesus the sum of reality is not one. To believe so obliterates the distinctiveness of the Christian faith—that the eternal God is holy and separate from His temporal creation, that good and evil are opposite moral categories (There is sin.), that heaven and hell separately exist, and that Jesus came from a reality eternally separate from earth.

Cosmic Creatures: “Inner Light”
That God’s sound-light (Hughes views sound and light as identical) permeates everything, it’s necessary for light to have been in, with and around man from time immemorial. Twice Hughes proposes this to have been the case.
  • With our hope of glory—Christ dwelling in us—we produce a sound that’s been with us from the beginning of time.(Emphasis added, TPOH, 74)
  • Christ is your hope of producing the sound that has resided in you since the beginning of time.(Emphasis added, TPOH, 74)
Of course, this estimate raises all kinds of issues and begs all kinds of questions regarding the biblical faith and worldview. Was there really a fall when light was lost? Being dead in trespasses and sins, do unregenerate-unsaved people walk in darkness? Or has God’s sound-light (a divinity) been and continue to be in them from the beginning of time? Did the world really reside in darkness when Jesus entered it? After all, the Apostle John wrote of Jesus: “In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [overcome] it” (John 1:4-5). Assuming that from the beginning humans have been and are indwelt by the sound-light of God, do they really possess a capacity to love darkness? If they are constituted of light, why would they have to come to the Light? After all, they already think they’re light. Yet Jesus warned Jews, “Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness” (Luke 11:35, KJV).[21] Given that light and darkness are incompatible antagonists caused John to give the following assessment of Jesus’ mission:

This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world,
and men loved the darkness rather than the Light,
for their deeds were evil.
For everyone who does evil hates the Light,
and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

(John 3:19-20)

The myth created by Hughes’ imagination, speculation and revelation wrecks havoc upon Scripture’s otherwise plain meaning and the good theology which derives there from even as his scenario introduces relativity into the nature of God and begs questions about the literalness of the biblical account of creation, man’s fall into sin and God’s plan of redemption.
Ray Hughes at a "Worship Encounter Conference"
advertised on TheElijahList, 9/9/11.
Christian believers ought to be aware of and appreciate deeply the truth of their union with the Lord Jesus Christ; that positionally, they are in Christ (Romans 16:3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13), and that experientially, the Spirit of Christ lives in them (Galatians 2:20; Romans 8:10-11). [22]  Appropriated and experienced by faith, this union—exhibited by the fruit and filling of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-25; Ephesians 5:18-6:9)—remains an unrevealed mystery. For the time being, our lives are “hidden with Christ in God” (Colossians 3:3). But when Jesus comes again, that will change. Our lives will no longer be hidden with Christ, but exhibited with Him. When “Christ, who is our life, is revealed,” then we too will be “revealed with Him in glory” (Colossians 3:4; See Philippians 3:20-21). When that revealing will take place, God will offer empirical proof of every believer’s identity in Christ to the world, and it will not be a matter of sound, but sight! At that moment every Christian from Pentecost will glow with the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ when they are raptured-resurrected by Him (Matthew 13:43; Compare Daniel 12:3.).

The myth Ray Hughes creates via the imaginations he conceives, the speculations he engages and revelations he receives, diminishes the New Testament’s expectation regarding the Second Coming of Christ. Instead of looking for the Son, Hughes encourages readers to listen for “the sound.” Yet regarding the report he heard of the conversion of the Thessalonians, the Apostle Paul marveled “the word of the Lord [had] sounded forth from [them]” (Emphasis added, 1 Thessalonians 1:8) as they had “turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God” (1 Thessalonians 1:9). But as “the word of the Lord sounded forth from them” the Thessalonians were waiting for the coming of God’s “Son from heaven” (1 Thessalonians 1:10). These early believers were not waiting to hear the sound announcing a second Pentecost, but the sight of the coming of the Son accompanied with “a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God” (1 Thessalonians 4:16). With all the Charismatic emphasis upon the myth of a coming second Pentecost and the revival created by the new music, what becomes lost is the plain teaching about Jesus’ Second Coming (not a second Pentecost).

The Charismatic expectation to be “lightified” (as stimulated by the sound of music) by the indwelling Christ has replaced the expectation of His coming physical presence from above. As a result, the hope of Jesus’ return and believers being glorified with Him becomes unnecessary. Until He comes again, we need to “watch out that the light in you is not darkness” (Luke 11:35).
The 5th Thunder School advertised on TheElijahList, 4/18/12.
This ad links to Lou Engle's "prophecy",
which is a re-hash of an old Latter Rain cult prophecy about music
that would be more powerful than the Beatles and fill stadiums with New Breed youth.
Read:  "The Significance of Youth-Filled Stadiums"

[1] Ray Hughes, Chapter 7: “Sound of Heaven, Symphony of Earth,” The Physics of Heaven: Exploring God’s Mysteries of Sound, Light, Energy, Vibrations and Quantum Physics, by Judy Franklin & Ellyn Davis (Crossville, TN: Double Portion Publishing, 2012): 65-75.
[2] Julie Andrews, “The Hills are Alive” from “The Sound of Music,” (
[3] About this Hughes is correct and that’s why for many, music has become the interpreter of the faith. If it makes me feel good I will believe it! The problem with this anthropocentric approach to both truth and spirituality is that the Bible is not a music machine. The Bible is the Logos, not the Eros, of God, and the Holy Spirit the accompaniment! (See 1 Corinthians 2:6-16.)
[4] To support the scenario he creates, the texts Ray Hughes uses are: 1 John 1:5, “God is light”; Genesis 1:3, “Then God said, ‘Let there be light’; and there was light”; and Revelation 14:2, “And I heard a voice from heaven, like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder....”
[5] See Larry DeBruyn, “Getting ‘High’ on God: Inner Opiates and the Genius of the Megachurch ‘Experience’,” Guarding His Flock Ministries, September 6, 2012 (
[6] Webster’s II: New College Dictionary (Boston, MA: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1995): 416.
[7] Larry DeBruyn, “The Supreme Supremacy of the Lord Jesus Christ: Christ before Cosmos,” Guarding His Flock Ministries, August 13, 2013 (
[8] Webster’s II: 1060.
[9] During the Northern Chinese Famine of 1876-1879 when it is estimated that 9-13 million people died, “crowds flocked to the temples to entreat the Higher Powers. Theatricals were staged, to propitiate hard-hearted gods, whose images were carried out into the open street and respectfully enthroned where the best view could be obtained of the stage. Processions were daily made to wayside altars and city shrines, led by Taoist devil-worshippers, frantic with excitement, or mediums under the influence of spirit-possession.” See Mrs. Howard Taylor, Pastor Hsi: Confucian Scholar and Christian (London, GB: China Inland Mission, First Published 1900): 21-22. Testimonies of experiences of sights like this, historical and contemporary, can be multiplied.
[10] Webster’s II: 1260.
[11] DeBruyn, “Getting ‘High’ on God.”
[12] “White Noise (film),” Wikipedia: the Free Encyclopedia (
[13] “WHITE NOISE (2005),” Rotten Tomatoes: Movie Info (
[14] W.H. Griffith Thomas, Studies in Colossians and Philemon (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1973): 66. Likewise, Harris writes that, “the indwelling of the exalted Christ in individual believers is their assurance of coming glory.” See Murray J. Harris, Colossians & Philemon: Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1991): 72.
[15] Glenn Alexander Magee, Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition (Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 2001): 13.
[16] See Larry DeBruyn, “‘Deliteralizing’ the Bible, from Plato to Peterson: Scripture amidst the Shadows,” Guarding His Flock Ministries, March 1, 2012 (
[17] Emphasis added, Eugene H. Peterson, The Message: The Bible in Contemporary Language (Colorado Springs: NavPress, 2002): 1337.
[18] Emphasis mine, Eugene H. Peterson, The Message / / Remix (Colorado Springs: Navpress, 2003): Ephesians 004:4-6, 2127.
[19] D.A. Carson, The Gospel According to John (Grand Rapids: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1991): 342.
[20] Frederick Louis Godet, Commentary on the Gospel of John, Volume II (Grand Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, 1881): 98. Of the difference between Jesus and the Pharisees, Westcott wrote: “He and they belonged essentially to two different regions; the spring of their life, the sphere of their thoughts, were separated from the spring and sphere of His by an infinite chasm.” See B. F. Westcott, The Gospel According to St. John (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1950) 130.
[21] See Warren Smith, The Light That Was Dark: From the New Age to Amazing Grace (Magalia, CA: Mountain Stream Press, 2005).
[22] Larry DeBruyn, “On Theosis, or Divinization: What does it mean to be ‘partakers of the divine nature’?” Guarding His Flock Ministries, January 11, 2012 (

See the earlier series on Herescope related to this Second Pentecost teaching by the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and International House of Prayer (IHOP): “The Passion of the Presence & the Purpose of the Passion,”
Part 1: The PASSION of the PRESENCE & the Purpose of the Passion 
Part 2: “Presence” Eschatology
Part 3: Bridal Eschatology
Part 4: The Perfectly Obedient Bride
Part 5: The 2nd Coming of the “Presence”
Part 6: The Battled Bride
See also Larry DeBruyn's article: The Present of “His Presence”
and Dr. Orrel Steinkamp's article: A Second Pentecost? and "THE RESTORATION OF DAVIDIC WARFARE/WORSHIP"

For more background, see: "The Significance of Youth-Filled Stadiums" and read: "James Ryle's Vineyard Theology."